Celal is a Christian who decided that he would have to m'tameh my blog with his evangelical preaching (see Gamar Tov posting). I am posting this response:
Celal:
First of all, this blog is not a place for you to post your idol worship.
That being said...
Jesus could not be the son of G-d and the Messiah. The Messiah is a descendant of King David through the father. If Jesus was the Messiah then his father would have to have been a descendant of David (thus a man).
If he was the son of G-d, which is not only blasphemous but impossible, then he was not the Messiah.
Simple.
For you see dear Celal, I am a Jew. My G-d forbids me to worship anything other than G-d. We tried worshiping a gold cow and we got into trouble for it.
I see no need to worship one of my cousins.
The Creator of the universe, maker of all mankind, need not knock up a Jewish chick to create a half-man half-god being who supposedly died for your sins.
But he didn't really die, did he? Oh wait, he had to have died. For your sins. But G-d can't die. So he couldn't have died. But he did. For your sins.
I'll take Torah and my religion which predates yours by two thousand years, thank you. My G-d is not a liar. He doesn't invalidate his Torah and Covenant for a quasi-Greek/Roman polytheism.
Plus, my dear Celal, Inquisitions, torture, murder, blood libals, kidnapping, Crusades and closed eyes during the Holocaust are not the best ways to convince someone of Christian love.
Reflect and return to the One True G-d, Hashem Yisborach: Oseh Shamayim V'Ha-aretz.
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Fellow Jewish bloggers:
A Simple Jew
Elder of Ziyon
Judeopundit
Mystical Paths
Sultan Knish
End of Days - Jewish Perspective
Ask the Rabbi (Chabad)
A heads up. You are links on Celal's blog.
Know thy enemy.
JHK
7 comments:
Thanks for the heads up. I don't take those kind of comments either. That doesn't stop the occasional person from trying though.
yes i had my run in with him when he took my dvar torah, posted an excerpt and followed it up with stuff about jesus which made it look as i had written it
it was really disgusting
I know I am on unfamiliar territory here, but I have a question...if I may?
I would like to know who you think the Messiah is?
What if you are wrong? What if your Messiah already came and He was rejected, hung on a cross and arose the third day, and is now in Heaven at the right hand of the Father, awaiting His second coming?
I can very well understand how Israel did not recognize the Messiah from an historical viewpoint, but looking back, I am confused as to how that can be.
I pray that you will open your eyes and see, and know, and accept Jesus as the Messiah. You see, until you acknowledge that He IS the Messiah, and accept Him as your Lord and Savior, He isn't going to come back. He will come back to save the remnant who are in need, but He can't do that until you call out to Him as the Son of God, Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior, Messiah...
Dear Anonymous (Celal):
We know Jesus was not the Messaih for a few reasons. First of all, he died without fulfilling ANYTHING.
Think about this...
are we living in a "messianic age"? is there no war, brotherly love, etc? All Jesus and his followers did was negate the eternal Torah and spread a variation of Greek/Roman polytheism to Europe. Countless Jews and Muslims have been murdered in Jesus' name. Europe suffered through 1000 years of dark ages because of it. We reject Jesus because he was not the messiah. Simple.
Also, why can't you understand that the Messiah is not a god figure? He is a human being. You took pagan philosophies and cultic worship and just applied them to Jesus. G-d does not father children, he creates the Universe. Jesus is no more G-ds son than I or you.
We reject Jesus because we have been raped, murdered, executed and slaughtered in his name. We reject him because he defied our Torah and desecrated the Shabbat. The Messiah would not do that. Our G-d gave us an eternal Torah. Again, G-d is not a liar. He does not give us a Torah and then negate it.
"I pray that you will open your eyes and see, and know, and accept Jesus as the Messiah. You see, until you acknowledge that He IS the Messiah, and accept Him as your Lord and Savior, He isn't going to come back."
I hope you will open YOUR eyes and repent for your idol worship. G-d does not take kindly to those who worship false gods. No man can be my "lord" only the One who made heaven and the earth. Why is this so hard for you to see? Are you so blinded by your idol worship? You are no different than a Canaanite, Babylonian, Greek, Roman or Mithra worshiper.
And who says he's going to come back? Where is the fulfillment of his messianic duties if he was the Messiah? Where is the peace, love and knowledge of G-d? It does not exist BECAUSE JESUS WAS NOT THE MESSIAH!
You will earn a special place in Gehennom for trying to lead the People of G-d into idol worship.
I am neither celal or the other anonymous. I'm anonymous because I simply don't welcome the chance of harassment, not that I would believe you would do that. :-)
That being said, I have a deep love for Israel. But God has never divorced me. He has never called me a whore. I have sinned but I have never abandoned Him, nor Him me. I believe in the Trinity, albeit foreign to you, but one day you shall know.
As to your statement about God "knocking up a Jewish chick":
This is a question to Dr. Fruchtenbaum: I have read articles that state that a “miracle of special creation was involved when God became man.” The idea portrayed is that God created the body of Jesus instead of Jesus being the biological son of Mary. What is your opinion about this view?
What the covenants clearly point out is that the Messiah has to be a biological descendant of Adam, Abraham, Judah, and David. If God merely created a body for Jesus and simply put it into Mary’s womb, then she is not the biological mother of Jesus and therefore, there would be no direct biological connection to David, Judah, Abraham, and Adam. This goes against the whole Bible scheme.
The assumption behind the articles you have read is that if Jesus was generated from Mary’s egg, then He would inherit the sin nature of man. This presumes a lack in the power of God because it is not essentially true. In fact, Luke spells out exactly why Mary’s egg was generated but Jesus did not inherit Mary’s sin nature. This is found in Luke 1:35 where the angel says, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.” What kept Yeshua from inheriting the sin nature of Mary was the overshadowing work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit generated Mary’s egg, protecting it from inheriting the sin nature and therefore what was born of Mary was holy.
Again, the requirement was that the Messiah be a direct descendant of Adam, Abraham, Judah, and David. If Mary was simply a surrogate mother and was not the biological mother of Jesus, then Jesus does not have a direct biological line to anyone before Him. No creation occurred in the womb, but the Holy Spirit took one of Mary’s eggs and generated it and produced the sinless God-Man.
How could you judah, be so mocking of our God? God will not be mocked. Your heart has hardened, but that is His divine plan to bring you back to Him. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess. All will serve the LORD one way or another.
For a Jewish viewpoint of Messiah, please visit http://ariel.org/sby.htm
And God bless.
Who is Celal and what about his [black] list?
And to that Anonymous #2:
If Mary was merely a surrogate mother, and Joseph wasn't the real father, then what would be the point on trying to trace that couple's ancestry to King David?
Obviously, the Messiah does have to come from the seed of David, but by your own admission, Jesus didn't. So he could not have been the Messiah. So, if there was such a miraculous insemination to make that birth, he could not have been the Messiah. If such a thing didn't happen -- no miraculous pregnancy -- then Jesus could not have been the messiah Christians believe in.
Either way, the messianic case for Jesus is, at best, bogus.
You can't get it right on the Second Coming if you haven't got it right on the First. Wouldn't it be simpler to have a first and only? Why would G-d have bothered bringing up a messiah prematurely (a century before the destruction of the Temple) to then send him in a hiatus for 2000 years?
Just saw these posts. Yom tov is a few hours away. I will respond to the Celalim after the Hag.
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